maldon , I've gone back through entire procedure,
here is a summary. I have Ventura install on external hd, I have the coffeelake efi you posted , I also have the updated Ventura clover files for clover Ventura efi. both Efi's boot into Monterey no problem, both Efi's get stuck in boot loop with Ventura. I am seeing a "failed to initialize volume keybag, err = 2
please advise